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Thanks Iain & no not a typo an alzheimers moment!! :lol: Will have to do another one sometime!!!
Easy session after last few days.
Wup - 1k
Time dist spm HR split
06:00.0 1333 20 124 02:15.0
06:00.0 1333 20 129 02:15.0
06:00.0 1333 20 131 02:15.0
06:00.0 1333 20 134 02:15.0
06:00.0 1334 20 136 02:14.9
30:00.0 6665 20 130 02:15.0
CD - 1k
Pleased with that as HR average the lowest since I started treatment - have been averaging in the 140s. :D
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Spider, That's a long session to test out the pace!
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Short wout before the blowout!! :lol:
Cough a bit worse so no heroics. :shock:
Wup - 1k
Time dist spm HR split
06:00.0 1334 20 134 02:14.9
06:00.0 1334 20 135 02:14.9
06:00.0 1334 20 137 02:14.9
06:00.0 1335 20 140 02:14.8
06:00.0 1334 20 141 02:14.9
30:00.0 6668 20 137 02:14.9
CD - 1k
HR 7 beats higher than last time despite no rowing yesterday so the right decision not to push it!!
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Well done getting a row in despite festivities and your cough.

I did an LSD in the limited time before my in-laws arrived, HR high for this session, possibly the PP session the previous day. Then today started 5kr1' session without any sugar (out of an ingredient), not sure how many I could do, had to give up because could only just see the monitor (didn't occur to me to switch light on in the break ](*,) so only 30km at slow pace although I dropped rating to 16 and HR lower again despite eating & drinking too much. Still enough to bring average since I agreed to do this challenge to >100k / week.

Time Distnc Rate Pace Hrmax % HRmin %
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 149 81.0% 091 49.5%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 155 84.2% 142 77.2%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 156 84.8% 138 75.0%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 155 84.2% 143 77.7%
1:20 17201 17.0 2:19.5 156 84.8%

23:59.2 5,000 16 02:23.9 140 76.1% 071 38.6%
23:59.3 5,000 16 02:23.9 143 77.7% 105 57.1%
23:58.9 5,000 16 02:23.9 141 76.6% 115 62.5%
23:59.3 5,000 16 02:23.9 142 77.2% 118 64.1%
23:59.4 5,000 16 02:23.9 143 77.7% 114 62.0%
23:58.9 5,000 16 02:23.9 145 78.8% 117 63.6%
2:23:54.9 30000 16 2:23.9 145 78.8%
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Today decided on 60R20 done hard. I basically kept the maximum strokes I felt I could manage throughout. Not the most efficient, but definitely good to build resilience for fighting to keep a reasonable pace up on tired legs!

Time Distnc Rate Pace Hrmax % HRmin %
10:00.0 2,383 20 02:05.9 156 84.8% 78 42.4% - initially 2:04 splits that slowly faded, amused that this was faster than R24 first interval of 10k SB!
10:00.0 2,348 20 02:07.8 165 89.7% 154 83.7% - fading and breathing hard, surprised HR plateau's at threshold, seeing occassional 2:10
10:00.0 2,332 20 02:08.6 167 90.8% 160 87.0% - fight starts here with H/D Demon changing from "Stop now" to "no disgrace in hard 30R20", realised 14k a possibility, 3rd highest 30' of season
10:00.0 2,321 20 02:09.3 169 91.8% 164 89.1% - prediction dropping below 14k, glad for the target
10:00.0 2,312 20 02:09.8 169 91.8% 166 90.2% - saw 3 2:12s, really hard now but not curtailing consecutive Hour attempts, helped as 14k still on
10:00.0 2,317 20 02:09.5 169 91.8% 166 90.2% - ending boost limited without option of upping rating, only really raised in last 2'.
1:00:00 14,012 20 2:08.5 169 91.8%

83M beyond previous SB, first 14k hour since HM PB 1/1/21, but only 3 nonathlon points so still 2 short of 7600.
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Well done Iain that looks very tuff!!! ^O^ Positive splitting hard mentaly at least for me!!!
Something a bit longer for myself as well. 5k/4k/3k/2k/1k R90s @ 18/20/22/24/26spm
Wup - 1k
Time dist spm HR split Prev
21:37.8 5000 18 161 02:09.7 - (2.10.1)
16:53.7 4000 20 163 02:06.7 - (2.07.1)
12:32.2 3000 22 160 02:05.3 - (2.04.7)
08:15.1 2000 24 161 02:03.7 - (2.02.7)
04:02.1 1000 26 160 02:01.0 - (1.59.6)
01:03:20 15000 20 161 02:06.6 - (2.06.5) - missed target by 0.1s :evil: :evil:
CD - 2k
Blew my legs by going hard in first 2 rounds but hung on to -ve split & hit spm targets. Missed my best on this session pre treatment this year by 0.1sec. Last time doing this average was 2.07.8/hr av 166 so can`t complain. Happy enuff.
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Well done Spider, that looks much tougher than mine and lower HR and >1S/500m improvement since last time huge. You will have your best next time!
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Got to admire you for that one Spider.. ouch!
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After the 60R20 did an LSD, although I didn't find it as easy as should have been. I think my keaness to push pace below 2:20 makes this a little fast for me after a hard row at the moment as drifted above at beginning of second hour. Then today really lethargic (later found I hadn't drunk my coffee, what it is to be so dependent on drugs!). After much procrastination tried a UT1, but couldn't settle with pace fluctuating 4S/500m, so gave up 25 min in and did positively split 5k down from current pace down.

Time Distnc Rate Pace Hrmax % HRmin %
20:00 4,302 17 02:19.5 142 77.2% 102 55.4% - Careless after a faster start #-o
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 144 78.3% 139 75.5%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 143 77.7% 095 51.6% - after call of nature
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 149 81.0% 137 74.5% - exceeded UT2
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 149 81.0% 142 77.2%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 165 89.7% 144 78.3% - 4 HR spikes 3 at end of this interval and one just afterwards, strange. Otherwise 151(82.1%) HRmax
2:00 25803 17.0 2:19.5 165 89.7%
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Still crankin out the hours Iain!! Are you classifing 80%MHR as UT2 & 90% as UT1?
A bit of a longer one today after yesterdays CTC
3x15minR2 at increasing spm.
wup - 1k
Time dist spm HR split
05:00.0 1122 20 0 02:13.6
04:00.0 920 22 0 02:10.4
03:00.0 706 24 0 02:07.4
02:00.0 485 26 0 02:03.7
01:00.0 251 28 0 01:59.5
Rest min
05:00.0 1137 20 0 02:11.9
04:00.0 932 22 0 02:08.7
03:00.0 713 24 0 02:06.2
02:00.0 489 26 0 02:02.6
01:00.0 252 28 0 01:59.0
Rest 2min
05:00.0 1155 20 0 02:09.8
04:00.0 942 22 0 02:07.3
03:00.0 722 24 0 02:04.6
02:00.0 492 26 0 02:01.9
01:00.0 254 29 0 01:58.1 - missed spm target :evil:
45:00.0 10572 22 0 02:07.6
CD - 2k
Intended to do 4 rounds but back felt a bit tweaky near end of 2nd round :twisted: so stopped after 3. HR monitor has been behaving itself but on the blink today & couldn`t get it to work. :evil: :evil: Good increase in pace between rounds tho by time you get to 28spm the legs are feeling it!!!
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I've been lurking in the background still trying to recover from COVID. Some very impressive training going on here, especially you Spider as you deal with all your health challenges.

It has taken me 12 weeks to get over COVID! I stupidly did the C2CTC earlier this month and it wiped me out for nearly two weeks #-o

Now I have started a very steady return with some very steady rowing. I will post here to keep me motivated to keep going. I also intend to try to broaden my training regime next year with more strength work instead of grinding out the metres on the ergo.

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Glad to hear you're on the mend JonT!

I'm not going to post a detailed log of all of my training over last week or so as it would take too long, but suffice to say, it's been very good, and I've been putting in some long sessions to offset the calorie indulenges!

My vices:

1. Sticky toffee pudding
2. Proper all-butter shortbread (with gallons of tea, naturally)
3. Excessive amount of roast meat, particularly Pork
4. Proper sausage-egg-bacon sandwiches

All that makes it sound like I have a terrible diet, which is very much not the case, I eat lots of veg, but I also like these luxuries, so that means getting some hefty sessions in to "earn" the huge energy input.

Anyway, I succeeded in my marathon, but failed in my target, but still a PB:

December 24th, RowErg full Marathon in 03:02.22 (2:09.6/161W average)

As the first screenshot show, I was quite generously sub-3 hours for my target, UNTIL the last 45 minutes. What happened? Was it fitness/exhaustion? Not really, or not exactly: I kept deliberately taking on energy gels plus drink every ~4300m or so, even though that meant interrupting/rowing one-handed for a number of strokes, but maybe I overdid the intake, in any case, it became intolerably difficult to digest and I was basically forced to slow down to avoid having a stomach-emptying incident! So perhaps next time, I'll try to rely more on remaining liver/muscle glycogen stores with less intake and hope I can hang on.

Of course, when I say next time, I'll be much better prepared with more practice over these LONG sessions. I felt great up until the 2 hour mark. So not that surprising I faded after that, since I've done almost zero sessions (apart from a marathon > 10 years ago) longer than 2 hours in duration overall. In 2025 I'm really going to focus on developing a "serious engine". I built up a massive cycling diesel by cycling 15,000+ miles a year, so now I'll look to start increasing/investing a similar (time permitting) amount of time input on the Erg and see how much I can improve.

Despite the fade at the end, I still took around 4 minutes off my previous best time from 2013. So I can hardly complain since I'm a decade older and in my 40s now!

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Yesterday was another "calories in the bank" session on the RowErg. Felt very very good. All LSD intervals except for one effort in the middle, which I had excellent recovery from in the subsequent intervals. Felt very comfortable.

December 29th, RowErg 1:30:00 session

- 1 minute recovery between the intervals.

Incidentally Iain, you once mentioned suprise at rest breaks during LSD efforts, the main reason is actually not for "rest" per se, but so I can properly take drink/liquid in via a relaxed manner. I really hate trying to drink whilst rowing one-handed etc. This is the one bad aspect of rowing versus indoor bike. It is so easy to take nutrition on board whilst cycling since your hands are not tied up, it is even easier to digest as you're not constantly squashing all of your digestive organs with every stroke!

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Spider another great session for you. Jon, sorry to hear that it is taking time for you to recover from Covid, but hopefully you are now on the road to recovery. Aren, most people find that they don't need food or water on <2hr rows although it does reduce the drift a little. Few manage gels on serious rows so not surprised that you had issues. I had something similar when making my drinks too concentrated on my 111km. Basically if concentration in your guts is greater than in your cells then you can't absorb anything. That is why most people dilute sports drinks etc when rowing. Still good to see you are doing lots of training. 15,000 miles per year is a lot of cycling. Again most fine that SS rows are shorter than cycles due to the higher peak power and hence increased need to use fast twitch muscles. I find 2 hour rows take quite a lot out of me even when done slowly. Many people find HRmax for rowing is slightly lower than cycling as the blood is travelling more widely, certainly <75% HRmax for a serious FM is very low with most people well into 80%s and some in 90% for a significant period.

Colin, based on many HR traces my threshold starts around 162BpM, 86.6% HRmax. First threshold less clear and probably lower than I assume as I need 2 breaths per stroke above 142 (76% max). But I find training to 147 (79% max) provides significant recovery on sessions of 90 min or less so use this as a proxy for UT2. In addition I find that my HR rises 2-3BpM at teh end of intervals when concentrating on landing my target, soi I don't worry to much if it only exceeds the desired range at these times.

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Well done everyone on keeping the thread going over the festive period.
Iain - I'll take the understatement of just 30k in good humour ^O^
Spider - very impressive negative splits
Aren - not recommending by any stretch (nor comparing) but I don't now stop for fluids on anything up to 50k. I find the pre session nutrition (or as Iain says the pre row caffeine) to be the key, though morning rows are all fasted as a rule
Jon - glad to hear you're on the road to recovery. I certainly saw massive benefits to a structured strength session or two to complement the erging.

Been a little tricky getting sessions in and the addition of food indulgence has made going a little sluggish.

Nothing special other than decent cardio over the last few days, which went ok and left me satisfied the wheels might be wobbly but had not fallen off.

Today I settled down for a hour session with the idea that I'd done a 2 hour session at 2.05 pace earlier in the week so Paul's Law says I could do 1 hour at 2...... Logic firmly out in the passenger seat, I set a pace boat for 1.58 and went at it:
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Not ideally paced at the start and I most assuredly found the half way point tough. Once I had 20 minutes left, the mental calculations kept me distracted enough to match the pace target and more than that think about a "sprint" finish, which amounted to .55s for the last minute :lol:

I could see 15k+ was within reach, and that last few minutes of push meant a crawled past my hour pb by 47m. Nice way to close out the calendar year.
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Fantastic PB Ian, being closer to 10k PB pace than HM is very impressive ^O^ =D> ^O^
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Iain/Ian. Some very interesting observations re: nutrition/fluid over long pieces.

Ian - up to 50k row without any fluids? Wow. Since your PB for 50k in your signature is 3 hours 46 minutes, going nearly 4 hours of sweating without fluid intake seems surprising to me. By way of comparison, some years ago I did a hilly cycling road race in Scotland, and since I was not some pro rider with the benefit of people standing at the road side to hand me fresh bidons, in order to minimise excess weight (given 1L liquid ~ 1kg) I only took one 500ml bottle on my bike. That proved to be a drastic mistake. The race basically took me an almost identical amount of time to your rowing effort, and I remember from about 2.5 hours on I was absolutely parched, and the dehydration left me completely and utterly destroyed by about 3 hours. Had to massively slow down/painful crawl for final number of hilly miles. So any losses (here mainly from additional weight/power required; for erging, due to stroke interruption) were massively offset by gains/limiting the detrimental effect of dehydration on performance. Admittedly that was in summer, but on the other hand it wasn't that hot (since it was Scotland), and there was good air flow, so I'd say overall pretty similar sweat rate to rowing inside with a fan. I would have thought that exercise physiology would suggest that even if you had to almost basically stop rowing, say, 4 x 15 seconds, e.g. lose 60 seconds in strokes, that the offsetting effect on HR drift/fatigue would mean you'd still end up being able to go a fair bit faster overall, especially over nearly 4 hours. But you feel not?

Iain - interesting that you mention few can tolerate gels. I think this perhaps highlights an interesting very practical difference between rowing and cycling: when cycling, even on hard efforts, it is not that difficult, in fact it is relatively easy, to take nutrition on (in the form of gels etc.). Pro riders, as you're probably aware, take on quite large numbers of them, and that is not purely some cynical marketing ploy; it definitely does show in the numbers/performance level. I think your comment corroborates my own personal experience that rowing is much more "digestively challenging", in large part due to both the mechanics of it, plus the greater muscle involvement. A movement that continually compresses/or applies pressure to your stomach/intenstines will by simple logic tend to suggest it is going to cause far more gastrointestinal discomfort if anything is in there. I do know that rowing with any kind of not completed digestion is without one of the worst things, and definitely worse than the equivalent when running or cycling (though they also are unpleasant too).

The consequence of all of this is somehow navigating a trade-off between the Scylla of indigestion and the Charbydis of "bonking"/energy-depletion (or even worse, dehydration). There is a significant volume of literature that shows that ingestion of carbohydrates, IF it can be tolerated - the big IF - makes quite a significant positive effect on performance in endurance activities, even for elite athletes whose liver glycogen/fat metabolism is of course at a peak level.

I think the answer must obviously lie somewhere in the middle. My ~3 hour effort clearly went too far to the intake side, but I find it difficult to believe I'd get a best effort from zero intake (even though that'd mean zero rowing stroke interruption/impairment).

Next time I think I'll go for just two brief stoppages/slowdowns of about ~30 seconds, at the 1 hour and two hour mark, with the smaller gel size (e.g. typical High5 or equivalent) and a more dilute drinks mix. Meanwhile I'll try go go for heavier food ingestion about 5 hours prior, small snack maybe 2 hours prior, and start the row slightly "over-hydrated" by drinking a glog just before I start, the logic being if I can start the sweating process properly before the water has passed through to the bladder, it'll get used. I'd assume the effect of hormones and sweating means that this will work prior to the 20-40 minutes it normally takes for water to fully pass to bladder from bloodstream. That's the theory anyway. I guess if you got it wrong you'd end wanting to stop to pee, so that'd be a nightmare after 20 minutes. Tricky.

Anyway, I don't know what the correct answer regarding intake is, but I am pretty sure it is somewhere between "nothing" and "too much", and that both of those extremes are likely to be bad for > 2 hour efforts :-)
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Incidentally, picking up on the HR zone discussion between spidermac and Iain:

- 80% MHR for UT2 and 90% for UT1 sounds quite high, based on my numbers, unless I was to significantly down adjust my HR zones even more in rowing relative to running. I've hit 202bpm within the last year whilst running. Historically, I'm pretty sure I've hit > 190 rowing, but that was only during an online erg race/event on RowPro (back when that was viable software; does not work properly with latest PM5 firmware, plus nobody uses it anyway). This year/season I've probably maxed out at around 185ish, but I'm not sure the type of efforts were optimised for acheiving peak HR, since I find you can access those best via a long steady ramp of 30-50 minutes where in the last 15 minutes you really go deep into threshold and then end with a "sprint finish". It is very very hard to get a true max outside a real competition and unless you're both exceptionally well rested (e.g. 3-4 days of almost complete rest and luxurious sleep) and exceptionally hyped up. Anyway, I'm reluctant to down-adjust my zones as the other ranges seem basically correct, and also tally with the British Rowing training matrix/zones. So my conclusion is that I just suck at efforts > TR, and really need to practice them a lot more, not that my zones are incorrect :-D.

The screenshot shows my spreadsheet implementation/calculator for the zones, but based on the HR Reserve calcuation and my best guesstimate of 198 HR rowing max.

This gives me a UT1 of roughly 157bpm in the "middle" of the zone, which as a straight MHR % is 157/198 which is basically 80% and UT2 of 144/198 which is 72%. Both of these "feel" spot on for me, based on all of my rows. UT2 rows around 70-75% feel very "regenerative", UT1 rows around 80% are challenging without being too demanding or taking too long to recover from. The computed threshold of about 170bpm feels about correct for me too, based on my data/experience.

I take the fact that I have not much rowing data/workouts well into the TR+ range a combination of

a) I am undertrained/comparatively weak in that area
b) My technique/ability to stay comfortable at stroke rates in the low to mid 30s needs a lot of work

My cycling "technique" is definitely superior, as I can sustain > 90 rpm for protracted periods, and am quite good at spinning > 100 or even 110bpm for high intensity efforts. That makes sense though, I need probably 5 million metres further consistent rowing training over the next ~2 years to perhaps reach technical "parity" or close the gap. Apart from a stint in 2013-2014, and now this year in a big way, I simply haven't rowed enough or consistently enough to develop a refined technique under pressure. It'll be interesting to reflect back in season 26-27 and see whether I'm able to do the TR+ efforts with better proficiency.

Another way of looking at it is if it is not due to my technique/effort, then my power/HR model for rowing has a "squashed top". What I mean by that, is that Iain's zone estimates then become "correct" and instead I just don't have much range in the top-end of the power-HR curve. That'd be a little surprising though, since I do have access to such intensities for running/cycling, so I still think it is a "technical issue". My predominant feeling of failure is never one of "CV limited", but always "leg/hip strength endurance" limited. Maybe I just need to hit the squat rack and start doing 200 rep sets of back squats!


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Ian, BTW, some cracking numbers there with a sub 1:58 pace row for 1 hour!
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Seem to have lost my last post. In summary, we are all different and need to find what nutrition / hydration is optimum for each of us by trial and error!

RE HR Zones, there is no one zone. The whole area conveniently ignores changes in stroke volume. I have recently found that I (at least did) lack base fitness with limited aerobic training. Even lab tests vary as different protocols yield different results. Personally I am surprised that your TR is below 2k pace. I think of AT as a narrow HR band (162 -169) that coincides with the inflection of my HR curves. By definition that means UT1 goes up to it. HR drift makes it difficult to equate pace to bands. As

I am probably pushing UT2 too hard (and therefore really low UT1), but as the intention is to train to keep going under some strain for these last weeks, happy with that. Yes I am not recovering enough to do 2 hard and 4 aerobic sessions a week, but I put that down to having built volume too high too soon and only generally having time for longer sessions twice a week on consecutive days without a rest day before or after either. As HR to pace is not a function (a lower pace is required to descend to an HR than reaching it for the first time as well as HR drift through time), I don't try and maintain a given HR, but a pace and then vary the target in future depending on previous sessions and how I feel.
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am - climbing training.
pm - the old favourite to finnish 2024. :D
wup - 1k
Time dist spm hr split
06:00.0 1334 20 0 02:14.9
06:00.0 1335 20 0 02:14.8
06:00.0 1335 20 0 02:14.8
06:00.0 1335 20 0 02:14.8
06:00.0 1334 20 0 02:14.9
30:00.0 6670 20 0 02:14.9
CD - 1k
No HR data again!! :evil: Thanks for the comments guys, I agree with Iain re HR for my steady rows I stick to a pace rather than HR as have seen a difference in the average of 20 beats for the above session depending on conditions/tiredness/ previous days training/etc. EM also says going up a wee bit above target HRs no biggie.
Happy new year to all the Free spirits. Think I will be having a quiet one considering the fcast in Edinburgh!! :shock:
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Just plugging away in gentle recovery mode with another 3x10min.

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Spider & Jon, good to see you still pulling away, Jon, low HR at R20 bodes well for a quick recovery. 30th was my Father-in-law's 80th so no rowing. rowed yesterday evening with a Waterfall - see PP thread. Then this morning an LSD, although felt harder than usual and HR a bit up (probably only 14 hour gap since Waterfall), HR dropped rapidly after:

Time Distnc Rate Pace Hrmax % HRmin %
20:00 4,300 17 02:19.5 146 79.3% 099 53.8%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 150 81.5% 141 76.6%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 151 82.1% 146 79.3%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 152 82.6% 146 79.3%
20:00 4,301 17 02:19.5 150 81.5% 144 78.3%
1:40 21501 17.0 2:19.5 152 82.6%
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Not surprised you had a bit of a hangover from the waterfall Iain.
JonT stick with it & your fitness will come back!!
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Jon – nice valuable session, particularly at that HR.
Spider – your traditional exemplary control too!
Iain – superb control for that distance.

Returning back to the standard training schedule for me, and fortunately it was this one:
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The cooler temperature probably helped today, and there’s reasons to be cheerful on the recovery speed and general steady pace all round.
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Thanks Spider & Ian. Ian, impressed that you managed to hold the faster paces with HR getting closer on each rep. Overslept this AM so may not get a chance to row today.
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Continuing to plug away.

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