Free Spirits CTC Participation and Leaderboard

[JonT]

By the way, I think the time entered by Lesley was the time for the July challenge. Over 28 minutes. Is possible of course, but would be a very very slow 624 meters.

Yes it was. She didn’t spot that the results page was still showing June even though it was July 1st. Still floated a boat though, so all is good.


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[fkoene]

The sheet has been updated again. It lists 24 participants for July, one less then in Jon's overview, but Erik P (Liefcat) is mentioned twice there. I have corrected the points for the subsequent rowers, hope that went well.
Impressive: Pete is the third FS to reach the 200 CTC milestone. Liefcat still needs two, being on the list twice didn't help him
Impressive as well: having rowed only four CTC's, Taetske is close to entering the top 10.

Good luck all with Hakuna Tabata.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[Wolfmiester]

Congrats Pete

[Liefcat]

Sorry for the extra work, Fred!
Won't happen again...
(Could have had one more CTC in the pocket,though, in a month where another erging team made some hardly empirically possible entries IMO, so I asked Citroen to remove my entry, which he did)

[fkoene]

Terribly sorry for the delay, hopefully September scores will be entered quicker.
Anyway, Kay has entered the top 3, Clare the top 10, great. And congratz to Mat, one hundred CTC´s

[fkoene]

Earlier than last month I've added September's results.
Milestones weren't displayed properly anymore, perhaps due to some copying of wrong cells to the wrong place by me in the past, but as far as I can see it is corrected now. And that shows that Liefcat has rowed his 200th CTC. Marvellous

There were also two new participants, though they might have rowed some under another name.

#5 and #6 swapped places, but personally I think Mike and Taetske are doing very well. Both entered the top 10, with Mike having rowed 6 CTC's this year, and Taetske only 5.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[strider77]

Well done Erik (Liefcat) on your 200th CTC !

[Liefcat]

Congrats, Mat!

Thanks Fred and Alan

[Mat]

Well done Erik (Liefcat) on your 200th CTC !

I'll echo that - well done Erik

Congrats, Mat!

And thank you too

[ArenT]

There were also two new participants, though they might have rowed some under another name.

I am one of those. I am new, though technically speaking, I think I did once enter maybe 2-3 CTCs way back in 2013 or 2014 (?), when I was rowing for team RowPro. But that was such a long time ago, I'd rather have a fresh start anyway.


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Thanks for all the effort on the spreadsheet.

Perhaps this information is already pinned somewhere useful, or someone can point me at the relevant link, but in any case it'd be very helpful if someone was able to give a very brief summary of how the points on the spreadsheet are calculated, probably worth bumping at the end of the thread. I read a few pages at the very beginning of this thread, which had various discussions about how the points are calculated, but at 30+ pages long and 734 posts, it is quite a lot of reading to try do determine the latest iteration/consensus.

My understanding is, it goes something like this:

1. You get some amount of points based on your ranking/result in the table.
2. You get further additional points (?) if you end up in a boat that gets "floated".

Obviously it is also an advantage if you're a lightweight, rather like the C2 rankings in general, as that can help get you a seat in a floated boat. I need to work on that one, as in my correct shape, I most definitely am a lightweight (I'm not tall and I don't have a large frame), I'm just overweight at the moment I'm now down to 77.2kg, so I might get migrate back into lightweight by November or more realistically December if I can keep my current training progress/volume going. When I was in best shape as a cyclist I was around 64-66kg, so my correct rowing shape should be about 70kg. That is more like 12 months of serious graft away... This community and challenges are very motivating to get the metres in, I'm really enjoying the routine I've got into, and I have to say that a large-ish training volume orientated more around the C2 ergs definitely has a better physical feeling that large amounts of running, which I now do 1-2 week instead, particularly if the weather is nice. Needless to say the rower is superb for all round/whole body conditioning in a way that few other sustainable (i.e. for a lifetime) sports activities are.



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200 CTCs is a very impressive accomplishment, since they end up being incredibly painful/pure suffering if tackled with vim! Managing a whole season of CTCs is also a very worthy accomplishment in itself. I'll see if I can at least manage the rest of this season, since my season effectively started in August, having done almost no C2 meters the prior months.

[JonT]

It's great to see you compete for us and also to hear that you are getting a lot out of the various competitions and tools

The C2CTC calculation used to be quite simple, but has become more complex lately because of the deluge of The Diamonds entries which messed up our scoring system. Basically the scoring system works as follows.

A boat which is afloat (5 rowers) gets points equal to the total number of complete boats in the competition minus the position of the boat in question multiplied by 1.4. So right now our first boat is 12th out of 30 boats giving it (30-12) x 1.4 points. The 1.4 is an arbitrary factor applied to give roughly the same points to boats as the previous system. It gets slightly more complex for incomplete boats and boats which are lower down our flotilla. Boats which are ashore (i.e. not complete) get 50% of the score of our lowest complete boat. If a boat is ashore and then becomes complete then there is a check to make sure that it wouldn't have been better off staying ashore - for example our top boats may be ranked high up the table giving ashore boats a reasonable score. If one of those boats becomes complete but has a very low ranking then it may end up with less points than it had when it was ashore. In that case it gets half of the points of the boat above it. I hope this isn't too confusing. It has been an evolving approach and a bit of a pig to programme on the website.

You can see all of this playing out using the CTC score tool which is what Fred uses to enter the scores into the spreadsheet at the end of each month. The tool can be found here or under the Utilities menu of the website. There are other tools there like the Nonathlon analyser. Unfortunately, the tool used to be a live view of standings, but the latest changes to the CTC website means that I have to manually fetch the results from time to time. It doesn't take long, but it would be better if the tool could extract scores on its own.

We really should pin the description above somewhere. I don;t think you can pin posts from individual threads, but maybe I could outline the algorithm on the tool web page at some point.

[ArenT]

Thanks for taking the time for the detailed explanation Jon, very interesting, appreciated. I think it would be a nice idea to pin/post the algorithm explanation somewhere, since for anyone thinking of joining the fray, the first thing they'll be curious about is trying to grasp what the table/spreadsheet actually means and how the points relate to floated boats, etc.

Incidentally, I think (or rather should) be one of those annoying people that end up straddling weight categories, somewhat messing up the chart. Last time I weighed myself I was 77.2kg, about a 1kg lighter than a month or so ago, so I should hopefully go < 75kg before the end of the year, meaning I will go from H -> L. I'd expect that this time next year I would be much closer to 70kg, provided I can somewhat limit chocolate cake, beer, and most of the fun calorific things in life .

[fkoene]

October's results have been added at last... A warm welcome to John McKenzie (whose name was on the overall Running totals sheet, but I don't see any previous CTC's of him) and welcome back to Morten. My guess is that Barbara Gahn is the same as Barbara G. (L) who participated a couple of times the last few years.

Clare has made it to 150 ctc's. A wonderful number I think, and wonderful to see you reached the top 10. Congrats.
Steve missed out on this one, which puts him on the #8 spot.

Have fun with November's 1K

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[spidermac]

Thanks for the welcome but been on here a while. John Mckenzie alias Spidermac.

[fkoene]

Thanks for the noticing, John. I'll change it in the sheet.

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[Liefcat]

Oh, hi John McK!