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Joe - welcome to the thread, it will be nice to have someone posting workouts on here aswell. Like Mat says we are both fairly equally matched pace wise so will be good to feed off each other :fsbgrin: . Thats a fantastic 2k, brilliantly executed =D> =D>

It's ridiculously warm here today which has proved to be pretty draining, I therefore decided to go off plan and do another semi-recovery row, top end UT2 for me is 2:00 so decided to stick just below that for 12k

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12kR18 - 48:09.2 - 2:00.3 @ 18

2:00.5 @ 18
2:00.3 @ 18
2:00.3 @ 18
2:00.6 @ 18
2:00.1 @ 19

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Happy enough with that, comfortable if not very sweaty !!

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Hi Si,
That 12kR18 looks very tough :shock:

I guess I would have a hard time posting my UT2 workouts heart rate restricted to 120, 125 or 130. Not very exciting, but the cornerstone of my training plan. This is most of what I do.

I also don't want to be in the position where I am racing my previous self everytime, or my expectations.

My plan is to go through the 16 week cycle, see if I improve. Then have another 16 week cycle to get me to Boston in February, hopefully in lightweight fashion. :fssmile:
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Sounds like a sensible option in this heat Si (I did something similar today myself). Nice consistent pace and rate 8)
jolo wrote:Not very exciting, but the cornerstone of my training plan. This is most of what I do.

I also don't want to be in the position where I am racing my previous self everytime, or my expectations.

My plan is to go through the 16 week cycle, see if I improve. Then have another 16 week cycle to get me to Boston in February, hopefully in lightweight fashion.
The long slow stuff is rarely exciting, but it is, as you say, a very important aspect of the plan. As far as racing your previous times and expectations, I personally find that this is the beauty of the IP rather that others such as the PP where you're encouraged to continually better your previous sessions on each cycle. The way in which the IP varies session duration means that you can take each session, and even each interval as it comes, rather than chasing splits from a previous session. My comment on your similar PBs was simply that it can help in deciding what pace to start a session with - it can sometimes be difficult to decide at what pace to start say a 3 x 9' session, but if Si has done it previously, then that may help

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Sounds like a good plan Joe, fwiw I am just following the l4 26 week plan doing 5 sessions a week, I've got no intention of doing a 2k any time soon and I'm using the first 10 weeks or so to concentrate on the ut1 & at sessions to improve my mid distance pb's.

Rest day for me today, tomorrow an AT session but with an eye on this weekends first TR interval i won't be pushing it any harder than the recommended top end pace.

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AT day for me today, 2*10', 5r

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2*10 AT - 1:48.4 @ 26

1:48.8 @ 25
1:47.9 @ 27
1911 active rest

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Happy enough with that, wanted to sit at the top end of my AT pacing, a touch faster overall but not that much more.

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Nice session Si. Solid negative splitting too - Good stuff 8)
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Strong AT session there Si.

I am in the first week of the program and the sessions alternate daily between UT1 and UT2. I selected 6 days a week, but I am giving myself the option to drop a day if I feel I need to.

UT1 2*15 min for me today. Plan says my UT1 pace should be between. 1:55-2:01.

1. 1:55 / 26
2. 1:54.7 / 26

A 45 min UT2 session scheduled for tomorrow, but I will probably do a little longer.
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That looks like a good start to the plan Joe - nice session 8)
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Thanks Mat & Joe. Great start on the Ut1's Joe =D>

Tonight 3*15' UT1:-

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3*15 UT1 - 1:54.5 @ 22

1:55.9 @ 20
1:54.8 @ 22
1:53.2 @ 24
1940 active rest

1k very slow cd

Good negative split but the first rep was way to hard from a spi perspective which made the last a bit of a grind. Lots of metres covered and calories expended, time for some serious carb replenishment :D !!

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Just completed the second week of IP. A total of 12 sessions plus 4 weights sessions with rowing in the weights intervals. It was strange after a long time on the Wolverine Plan and the transition from distance to minutes was quite alien at first. However, now that I've got some of it under my belt, it seems to be coming to me, although today's session (3 x 15min UT1) felt a bit harder than all the previous ones. All sessions are UT1 and UT2 for the first three weeks - a way of conditioning anyone new to IP I guess.

For me, the range for UT2 is 2:14 - 2:02 HR 125-131 - result: 2:02.4 HR Average 126 (96487m)
For me, the range for UT1 is 2:02 - 1:56 HR 131-142 - result: 1:57.5 HR Average 140 (106681m)

Looking at those averages, I'm in my target zones.

Next week sees the last week of conditioning before getting into the AT sessions with TR sessions coming along in Week Eight.

Trish has just finished Week One.

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is it best to do a stand alone 2k piece before I start the IP plan?

I will be finishing pete plan training group tomorrow so need a new challenge.

and do i assume this plan is solely for 2k training or does it incorporate other distances.

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You'll see when you enter all your details on the C2 proforma on line that the first session on the list is a a 2k Time Trial. A few weeks later there is another TT so you can compare and see if there's been an improvement. I'm using the first sixteen weeks for a mile race so I'm doing 1609m in the time trial slots. I'd say that the similarity in distance would cover me for that. Longer distances? I'm not so sure. There'll be an expert along any minute. :lol:

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Good set of 3 x 15' Si =D> =D> These can become fairly long and intensive sessions if the pace for the first interval is a little high, especially at a low rate :!: Allowing the SR to increase for each session looks like a sensible plan here, and some nice negative splitting as a result 8)

A warm welcome to the IP plan Bill & Trish :fsbgrin: I'd noticed Bill charging up the meterboard towards me, and now I realise you're on the long UT1/2 sessions I understand :wink: It does take a little time to get used to the timed sessions, but it sounds like its coming along well. I'm sure that it will work equally as well with the mile as the 2k - I've certainly managed to PB on the mile on each cycle of the plan - hope it works as well for you both :D

Boyde - I'd agree with Bill in terms of following the plan and going for a 2k TT early at the beginning, as this will both set a benchmark against which you can judge future improvements, and also defines your pace guide for the various training bands. Whilst the IP is ostensibly a 2k training plan, the way in which it works does incorporate all other distances along the way. For example, I started my current IP cycle in February, and managed to reset all of my PBs over 2k in April, and then all of them in May (except FM!). I believe this to be reflective of the way in which the IP builds a broad base and gradually introduces shorter, faster intervals into the plan. The only advice I would offer is that on a weekly/fortnightly basis (depending upon number of days trained per week), you may benefit from swapping a UT1/AT session for a longer steady piece such as 10k / 30'. This helps to ensure that you can still approach these distances with confidence when you come to tackle PBs etc.

All the best with whatever choice of plan you make, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of us around to help you along the way whichever you choose :fsbgrin:
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Great advice from Mat =D> =D>

Bill - that's some serious metres you have been putting in over the last couple of weeks, good solid base to work off =D

Well today I erg'ed smack bang into the first TR session of the plan, about 10 weeks since I've done anything at this type of pace bar this months CTC and to be honest I was more than a bit apprehensive :? Plan was to start somewhere near last weeks CTC pace (1:42.5) and then negative split if possible :-

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3*3TR, 3AR - 1:41.4 @ 30

1:42.3 @ 29
1:41.4 @ 30
1:40.5 @ 32
1368 active rest

Fractionally faster than 2k pace :D . My best for this session is 1:41.1 @ 31 which was after a long period of intervals on the WP so I was fairly confident of my ability at the time, today was definately a confidence booster :D

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Bit quiet on here !!

Today the IP called for 5*10 UT1 but I decided to call this my long row of the week and settled for 12.5k which at the bottom end of my UT1 pacing would be bang on 50'.

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12.5k - 48:27.6 - 1:56.3 @ 21

1:57.6 @ 20
1:57.1 @ 21
1:56.1 @ 21
1:55.6 @ 22
1:54.9 @ 22

A bit quicker than I orignally intended, would have been quite happy with 1:57.x but it felt relatively comfortable all the way through.

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Si - that's a really strong TR session there =D> =D> Good negative splitting, and a very encouraging average pace, especially given the conservative start 8) You've every right to treat that as a good confidence booster as the TR sessions become more frequent

Very nice 12.5k too, again with good negative splitting throughout 8)
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Thanks for the encouragement Mat and Si.

Week 3 Day 1 and 51 mins UT2:

51:00.0 12634 25 128 02:01.1
10:00.0 2467 26 120 02:01.6
20:00.0 2472 24 122 02:01.3
30:00.0 2496 25 131 02:00.1
40:00.0 2481 24 135 02:00.9
50:00.0 2468 26 134 02:01.5
51:00.0 250 26 131 02:00.0

It took 20 mins to get into the HR bracket (125-131) and to do that I was consistently below the split bracket (2:14-2:02) and then the HR caught up in the 30-40 min sector although I don't remember the HR being that high on the monitor and looking at the log for Suunto Training Manager it only went over 130 for two minutes in the sector and not at all elsewhere so the PM4 averages seem spurious.

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Thanks for the feedback Mat, much appreciated :D .

Bill - nicely paced Ut2.

Well after a decent run of results I was due a rubbish session and tonight it was it !!! Plan was 2*9 AT, pace about 1:48-49ish, should have been no problem whatsoever.....

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9' AT - 1:47.3 @ 25 - completely lost the plot, was hard from the off and was counting strokes from about 2' in, very nearly hd'ed after 4' and then with 2' to go decided to have a compromise with myself and settle on one hard rep, at this point it was 1:48.3 @ 25, managed to get it down to 1:47.3 with a decent final 2'. Not at all impressed with myself, mentally not tough enough even though that sort of pace should have been comfortable :oops:

Then a compromise 6k Ut1 - 1:57.5 @ 20

2k cd

Not a happy bunny, will chalk it up to experiance and try and nail the next AT session.

Rest day tommorrow, will no doubt have a bit of a sulk on :lol: !!

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Bill - that looks like a good 51' session (got to love those nice round numbers) with pretty consistent splits and HR, once it had settled at the required rate :fsbgrin: I do find that the PM HR numbers can sometimes be odd due to it showing simply the value at the end of the split rather than an average for the split - this inevitably gives a higher average for the session than it would be for the session if taken as a whole, and can also show an erroneous "spike" if the HR has risen even slightly at the end of a split. Whatever teh data though, it looks like a good session to me :wink:

Si - we all have those sessions from time to time, but I did notice at least 4 positives to take from the session...

- One strong 9' interval (which you finished well rather than HDing)
- A good 6k UT1 to rescue the session
- With a day off tomorrow, you've got almost 48 hours of sulking time available to really make the most of that sulk :wink:
- With the bad session out of the way, Wednesday's will be a cracker :twisted:

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Thanks Si and thanks for the advice Mat. It's great to follow in the wake of someone who's been there before so as to get the knowledge.

UT1 today 3 x 14'. A bit of a struggle in the last rep which I don't understand as the overall pace was slower than my 10K SB and only just faster than my half marathon SB pace. Target Split 1:56 -2:02 HR 131-142:

42:00.0 10806 27 139 01:56.6
14:00.0 3621 27 136 01:55.9
14:00.0 3610 27 138 01:56.3
14:00.0 3575 27 144 01:57.4 Bit of a burst at the end to get the split down.

TE 2.8 EPOC 68

Weights session this afternoon.

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UT1 today 3 x 14'. A bit of a struggle in the last rep which I don't understand as the overall pace was slower than my 10K SB and only just faster than my half marathon SB pace. Target Split 1:56 -2:02 HR 131-142:

42:00.0 10806 27 139 01:56.6
14:00.0 3621 27 136 01:55.9
14:00.0 3610 27 138 01:56.3
14:00.0 3575 27 144 01:57.4
Bill,i notice that you seem to have positive split the 3x14min.When me and Mat do these we tend to negative split them.You would have probably have been better starting at 1:57 and negative spliting. :fsgrin: It also teaches your brain to negative split a hard row aswell,so that you have all the extra power at the end of the hard row. :D
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UT2 3 x 19'. Range 125-131 and 2:14 - 2:02. I rowed at the bottom end of the split range for whole of the session but I didn't get into the top HRR until the last three minutes.

57:00.0 14023 24 126 02:01.9
19:00.0 4671 24 122 02:02.0
38:00.0 4677 24 128 02:01.8
57:00.0 4675 25 128 02:01.9

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Back on the IP for the next 24 weeks. :)
3x12min with 3min rest today.(UT1 1:47-53 pace)

12min...3352m...1:47.3....r26
12min...3357m...1:47.2....r25
12min...3382m...1:46.4....r26

Very pleased with the last one because after 3min i wanted to HD but i dug in and got the Free Spirit effect. :fsgrin:
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Very nice Jason :D Me too

Last night I did 2 x 15 mins with 5 mins rest at what was meant to be UT1-it was a little harder than that but pleased with the consistency :D

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strider77 wrote:Very nice Jason :D Me too

Last night I did 2 x 15 mins with 5 mins rest at what was meant to be UT1-it was a little harder than that but pleased with the consistency :D

2k warm up and 1k cd

15:00-3919-1:54.8-R25
15:00-3923-1:54.7-R26

Using DF 125
Very nice to be in the UT1 range(or a bit harder as you say) with them 15min rows at r25-26.Still got lots of power there Alan. :)
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