WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by millie » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:24 am

Had my first go at this this morning - managed 1:44.3 @ 38 spm
Reckon I can go a bit faster so will try again later in the month - I only had the drag factor on 105 and had just done a 1k test...
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by millie » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am

Forgot to say - weight this morning 65.4kg, age 41
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Paul Victory » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:02 pm

Shang-Chi wrote:Yeah, Mikkel, 58 years old, 76 kg. rowing 1:17.1, that's me :!: :? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Shang-Chi » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:32 pm

Paul Victory wrote:
Shang-Chi wrote:Yeah, Mikkel, 58 years old, 76 kg. rowing 1:17.1, that's me :!: :? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sounds quite plausible.
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:00 am

Until we get some more female entries, I have included millie's time in the main table:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by millie » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:51 am

Thanks Alan - I'd rather be at the bottom of a table with more than just me in it than be at the top of a table where I am the only one :D
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:18 am

You don't need to improve your adjusted time by much to move off the bottom, by my reckoning. Now there's some motivation for your next attempt! :fswink:

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by plummy » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:32 am

I will have a go at this but I want to get Starnberg out of the way first and then try and have some semblance of fitness before I do an all out 500. Shame I wasn't up to it yesterday as I weighed in at 68.4kg!
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Shang-Chi » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:36 pm

plummy wrote:I will have a go at this but I want to get Starnberg out of the way first and then try and have some semblance of fitness before I do an all out 500. Shame I wasn't up to it yesterday as I weighed in at 68.4kg!
Sounds like you also suffers from elevator-weight, David :!: :?: :lol: I weighed 86.5 last week and got to 89.9 friday and back to 87 today. Good luck the 500 and keeping the weight down. [-o<
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Paul Victory » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:47 pm

AlanS wrote:You don't need to improve your adjusted time by much to move off the bottom, by my reckoning. :fswink:
Thanks Alan! :P :twisted:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by millie » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:22 pm

Yes I had noticed....Watch out Paul :twisted: :twisted:
Alan it looks like I get 2 seconds for my age - I had a look at the Concept 2 spreadsheet (as we have used the WAAR for comparing erg times in my OTW club) and looks like the age benefit for 41 is 10 seconds per 2k so I figured that would be 2.5 seconds for this challenge. How is it actually being worked out? Guessing there is some pro-ratering where get less of a benefit for shorter distances??
And if you think I'm just asking the question because I am trying to improve my score a little bit, er yes you're probably right :wink:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by JeremyS » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:15 am

My foot is finally getting a bit better so thought I'd try this after a few days of eating too much and not doing any training. I didn't have any particular plan but to go as hard as I could and see what happened.

This resulted in HD after about 300m. I'd obviously not done one of these for a while and had forgotten that it was a long way and I couldn't just go as hard as possible all the way. Picked it back up and finished in 1:41.3. Still on the plus side I did see a few 1:27 which I haven't seen before.

Decided that really was a bit of a poor effort so had a five minute light row and decided to try again, and just be conservative and keep it under 1:40. This went smoothly for about 30 seconds and then I realised that it was foolhardy to attempt a second attempt. Struggled home in 1:39.7, so more to come at a later date. Current weight is 64.7Kg.
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:03 am

Jeremy, thanks for the entry. I look forward to seeing what you can post with a 'proper' attempt.

Millie, you are completely right. An age benefit of 10s over 2km works out as 2.5s over 500m. There isn't any pro-rata-ing going on, but your query may have highlighted a bug in my spreadsheet. It looks as if you're only getting a 2s benefit - the .5 is being ignored. That goes for everyone else too. Alan should have a 12.9s benefit, but only gets 12s, etc. I'll look into it... :oops:

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Yambo » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:55 pm

I hate these sprints.

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:09 am

Thanks Doug, and well done on the PB. =D>
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by plummy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:01 pm

Well that hurt like you wouldn't believe - my lungs still hurt now - and it wasn't even that fast...

1:38.0 - weighed in at 69.0kg

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by millie » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:58 am

plummy wrote:and it wasn't even that fast...
I beg to disagree - that's a great effort =D> =D>
I'm planning a second attempt on Thursday morning so watch out boys :twisted: :twisted: (Philip I think you're more than safe though :lol: )
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Pepe » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:36 am

millie wrote
I'm planning a second attempt on Thursday morning so watch out boys :twisted: :twisted: (Philip I think you're more than safe though :lol: )
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Grobi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Alan, I'm getting confused with the age adjustement. Shouldn't Mikkel's age adjusted time for example be 1:22.1 instead of 1:23.1?

My calculation is 87.1 seconds - 1/4 * 19,9 seconds = 87.1 seconds - 4.975 seonds = 82.125 seconds = 1:22.1 :?:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Mike Channin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:37 pm

81kg 1:35.4 - first sprint for ages and done after a hard 5k so should be able to improve further...
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:45 pm

Thanks plummy. Thanks Mike.

Peter, you are right. millie made the same observation a few posts above. It is a defect in my spreadsheet. The problem seems to be in my use of Excel's TIME function in the age adjustment algorithm. For example:

D4-TIME(0,0,N4)

Where D4 is the actual time (1:27.1), held as a time value; and N4 is 4.975 held as a number. The TIME function ignores the decimal places, and only takes 4s off. Anyone know of another way to implement this (correctly)?

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:45 pm

It's not a perfect solution, but it's probably better than what I had previously - I've rounded the adjustment to the nearest whole number. So 4.975 becomes 5, for example.

This gives a slightly different allocation of points at the bottom, but the order remains the same:
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by Grobi » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:31 pm

AlanS wrote:The problem seems to be in my use of Excel's TIME function in the age adjustment algorithm. For example:

D4-TIME(0,0,N4)

Where D4 is the actual time (1:27.1), held as a time value; and N4 is 4.975 held as a number. The TIME function ignores the decimal places, and only takes 4s off. Anyone know of another way to implement this (correctly)?
Are the decimal places being ignored because of the two "0"? Could you therefore replace these "0" by let's say "2" and have two decimals taken into account?

edit: forget the above, it's non-sense I'm afraid :? The two "0" stand for hours and minutes if I'm not mistaken. Could you format the cell itself and allow two decimals?
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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by AlanS » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:48 pm

Bizarre.

I emailed the spreadsheet to use at home, where I use OpenOffice rather than the MS Office I use at work. I opened up the spreadsheet and was most surprised to see that it was subtracting the fractions of a second! Problem solved. I will just use OpenOffice at home from now on and my formulae are now fine. :shock:

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Re: WAARC - February 2013 - 500m

Post by billwright » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:30 am

My contribution:

01:30.7 500 39 0 01:30.7

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