Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:59 pm

I didn't realise there was, Mike! I assume you mean the one you can download from http://concept2.co.uk/rns/adjustment? I'll see if I can get that working and see what it comes up with.

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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:21 am

OK, I've applied the C2 age adjustment to the current mile challenge times. I've also re-attached the times resulting from my age adjustment, for comparison.

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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Shang-Chi » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:36 am

Well not much difference, but C2 gives half of us a little better time than yours, and there's some moving back and forth on people, two and two :!:

Have you tried this without the weight adjusting :?:
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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Pepe » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:04 am

I rather like the influence of the age adjustment factor :D
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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by strider77 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:08 pm

I definitey prefer Alan's calculations to C2's :lol:

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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Stan » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:13 pm

Is it too late to enter my time from Saturday.
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Re: Weight Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:23 pm

As it is getting towards the end of October, it will soon be time to announce what next month's challenge will be. There is clearly enough interest in these for there to definitely be one.

I am mindful that for some, it is hard to fit in monthly CTC and C2 Challenge Series attempts, and I don't want to make things worse by adding a third monthly challenge. This month WAARC coincided with the Grimbsy Mile and the C2 Challenge Series, which is working well in terms of participation.

My question is do you think we should just make these WAARC follow the C2 Challenge Series, so that next month's distance, for example, would be over 6344m?

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by plummy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:48 pm

It would make a change from sprints!!
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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by billwright » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:53 pm

What happened to the posts between Wednesday 17 Oct and today? Are they just missing from my access? :oops:

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Stan » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:55 pm

Just above this topic probably Bill. For some reason there are 2 threads on this subject
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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:56 pm

Check the other WAARC thread in this sub-forum, Bill - this is the general chat/rules discussion thread. :fswink: There will be separate threads for each monthly challenge.

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Post by billwright » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:32 pm

Got it - thanks Alan.

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Mike Channin » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:40 pm

To avoid having too many different challenges, sticking to the same distance/time as the challenge makes a lot of sense.

Looking at the c2 age adjustment, I reckon it was done the same (unerlying) way as yours Alan, but using earlier and/or more complete data to generate the adjustment factor, and so with a slightly different cut. Personally, I think they give a bit too much advantage to the older ages, skewed a little by the relatively smaller number of competitors there (the same thing that causes the nonathlon to be dominated by older rowers), but that's the official adjustments, so it is hard to argue against them.

What this does make clear is that, in a sport where low age and being big are a massive advantage, just looking at raw numbers misses the point as to how great some of the older and lighter rower's performances are. Age banding is well handled in most competitions, but the lack of a middleweight category does continue to make the weight issue a bit of a farce (haven't checked the figures, but it seems like 10-11 kg is like 10 years difference, so for an 82 kg fat lwt like me, racing the big 100+ kg guys is a bit like being 20 years older and expected to compete on equal terms)

(in my humble opinion, they should have a mwt capped at 85kg, and a light hwt capped at 95kg, before the really big guys, and this would be a more reasonable demographic split as well as giving us incentive to keep our weights at least
vaguely under control. This might tempt more normal sized rowers into competition. But I doubt they'd ever bother because of the increased hassles of weighing in a larger number of the competitors. On a funny closing note, I've never managed to check in for any competition without them pointing me towards the scales and then being baffled as to why I've turned up to row against the heavyweights... :oops: )
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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:59 pm

I was wondering about making some changes to WAARC for the 2013/14 season (which starts in May). But I'd like to get an idea what those who take part (or would take part) think. So here are some questions to prompt discussion.

Are you happy with each month being a stand-alone challenge, usually set to be the same as the CTC or C2 Challenge Series for that month?

Would you prefer the challenges to be linked, to determine an overall season WAARC winner? Or is keeping things low-key the way to go?

Would you like several concurrent challenges over a range of distances and times, each lasting the entire season? That way, we wouldn't know who won each challenge until the the end of the season, but it would give you an entire season to make improvements and get your best possible WAARC time/distance.

Anyone got any other ideas?

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by AlanS » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:18 pm

Bumping this thread to see if there is any response to my previous post...

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by billwright » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:43 pm

AlanS wrote:Would you prefer the challenges to be linked, to determine an overall season WAARC winner? Or is keeping things low-key the way to go?
Sounds good to me Alan and thanks so far for the work that you've done. Just a bit of fun! :lol:

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Paul Victory » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:44 pm

Hi Alan

I think it works fine the way it is. The nonathlon is there for those who want a season long competition with opportunities to improve throughout the season.

Having said this, an overall leaderboard would encourage participation, but I would prefer each month to be a separate challenge relating only to times done during that month..

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by plummy » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:23 pm

My choice would be a separate challenge per month but have a grand total at the end of the year for all the challenges to encourage regular participation . That said, I think there should be an option to miss at least one (max. two) events so anyone with heavy work commitments, injury or any extended reason to be away from the erg can still join in and partake if personal circumstances get in the way (or maybe a bonus 10 points for completing all 12 rounds etc)

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by webberg » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:25 pm

Alan, catching up on this one and will start in August.

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by plummy » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:25 pm

Hi Graham,
I've picked up the baton on the WAARC from Alan. I've been away for two weeks and I suspect many others will be too so I was thinking of letting August pass by with no WAARC and starting again in September - is that OK?

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by strider77 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:08 am

Sounds like a good idea to me Dave :D
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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by plummy » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:05 am

It's a bit too late to change anything anyway now but I suppose we could start the selection process for September early - any suggestions? Maybe a mile (1609m) as there is the Shrewsbury race meet coming up?
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Post by strider77 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:20 pm

Good suggestion Dave :D

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Re: Weight & Age Adjusted Rowing Challenges

Post by Paul Victory » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:18 am

I agree. 1609m sounds like a fun challenge. Well not really, but I'm not up to doing anything long distance at present, so a shorter distance sounds tempting.
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